Client Privacy

[thatsoraven]

Also this happened in 2019. Not a few months ago.

It was summer 2024, Google gives you lots of results.

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It was summer 2024, Google gives you lots of results.

They arrested 21 men on the charge of obtaining sexual services. It had nothing to do with Human Trafficking. These are clients exactly like me.

Google does indeed give dates for both 2019 and 2024. 2019 charges were for Human Trafficking while charges for 2024 were for Sexual Exploitation 

There were 20 men in 2019 and 21 men in 2024.

Your original post said 20 men , so I went with that.  Glad this was cleared up. 

I value facts

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Also this happened in 2019. Not a few months ago.

It was summer 2024, Google gives you lots of results.

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It was summer 2024, Google gives you lots of results.

They arrested 21 men on the charge of obtaining sexual services. It had nothing to do with Human Trafficking. These are clients exactly like me.

It says arrested for Sexual Exploitation,  which the Canadian Law defines as 

Sexual exploitation

153 (1) Every person commits an offence who is in a position of trust or authority towards a young person, who is a person with whom the young person is in a relationship of dependency or who is in a relationship with a young person that is exploitative of the young person, and who

(a) for a sexual purpose, touches, directly or indirectly, with a part of the body or with an object, any part of the body of the young person; or

(b) for a sexual purpose, invites, counsels or incites a young person to touch, directly or indirectly, with a part of the body or with an object, the body of any person, including the body of the person who so invites, counsels or incites and the body of the young person.

Marginal noteunishment

(1.1) Every person who commits an offence under subsection (1)

(a) is guilty of an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term of not more than 14 years and to a minimum punishment of imprisonment for a term of one year; or

(b) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction and is liable to imprisonment for a term of not more than two years less a day and to a minimum punishment of imprisonment for a term of 90 days.

Marginal note:Inference of sexual exploitation

(1.2) A judge may infer that a person is in a relationship with a young person that is exploitative of the young person from the nature and circumstances of the relationship, including

(a) the age of the young person;

(b) the age difference between the person and the young person;

© the evolution of the relationship; and

(d) the degree of control or influence by the person over the young person.

Definition of young person

(2) In this section, young person means a person 16 years of age or more but under the age of eighteen years.

[adastra]

In any case, clients need to be aware that police still enforce this nationwide. London Ontario is another place they raid.

There is RCMP specific unit for human trafficking. People get paid everyday in Canada to analyze sites like Menz and Perb. RCMP do not want to legitimize the sex industry, it's the opposite, they want to enforce the law on the books. On the books its 5 years in prison for a first time offense for buying sex, if coercion is involved.

Hunter suggested a good link we will add to info section:

Sex Work Enforcement Guidelines for Vancouver
https://vpd.ca/wp-content/uploads/2021/0...elines.pdf

[MissHunter]

In any case, clients need to be aware that police still enforce this nationwide. London Ontario is another place they raid.

There is RCMP specific unit for human trafficking. People get paid everyday in Canada to analyze sites like Menz and Perb. RCMP do not want to legitimize the sex industry, it's the opposite, they want to enforce the law on the books. On the books its 5 years in prison for a first time offense for buying sex, if coercion is involved.

Hunter suggested a good link we will add to info section:

Sex Work Enforcement Guidelines for Vancouver
https://vpd.ca/wp-content/uploads/2021/0...elines.pdf

Of course other law enforcement agencies across Canada don‘t want to legitimize this. More “crime” to fight means bigger budgets. Although I find RCMP in the lower mainland have become more reasonable than they used to be

[MissHunter]

One thing I’ll add.. and this is totally just a personal opinion, so take it with a grain of salt, why they go so much lighter here on us here compared to other places , the lower mainland has become a transnational organized crime headquarters.
They already have more than enough other excuses for bigger budgets than to go after us unless something really serious happens.

[MissHunter]

I like how this thread was intended to be focused on men's and clients' privacy, but it's been taken over by a provider who has shifted the discussion to her own and women's privacy and safety.

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My intention wasn’t to take over the thread and only argue from a providers perspective. I initially jumped in & it spiralled. Partly cuz I was tired & partly cuz an anon was saying I was a liar, One of my safest spaces was brought up earlier so I had to respond, then a combination of being sleep deprived plus some guy arguing with me blah blah blah… 
but overall I think I am able to take both sides into perspective. I’m not attacking clients here about being concerned about their privacy or making it all about providers safety at all
plus I disclosed why being careful as a client when it comes to screening is imporant. Like I already said, Someone I was once close to who is a really good human & always respected my boundaries was attacked hard .. right about the time rent was due ..

[MB_]

I like how this thread was intended to be focused on men's and clients' privacy, but it's been taken over by a provider who has shifted the discussion to her own and women's privacy and safety.

I'm going to make the same thread in the private forum. I meant for this to be useful for men looking to protect themselves, but it seems to have veered off track like so many other valuable discussions on this site. sigh