"complaining" about rates?

[thevermin]

With rates going up so high, I really should ask my shift manager at Mcdonalds for more hours but I just hope they don't put me on cashier duty

[thatsoraven]

With rates going up so high, I really should ask my shift manager at Mcdonalds for more hours but I just hope they don't put me on cashier duty

[Mrtea]

If I were an escort who knew I was a 5 but was intent on desperately trying to convince everyone I was a 10 to justify charging top rates, I would likely shame and try to silence any men who criticized those rates.

The truth is, many of us earn significantly more than even the highest-paid escorts, so it's best to ignore it. Any escort who complains about men critiquing providers' rates is likely not very attractive, and is likely struggling financially.

This idea that only “10s” can charge top rates is rooted in a narrow, shallow view of what clients actually want. You think every man booking at $800/hour is doing it just for a face and a body? No. They’re booking for discretion, connection, safety, personality, and a tailored experience they can’t get from someone who just looks good.
You say some of us are “desperately trying to convince” people we’re worth it? That’s called marketing. That’s what every business does. The only reason sex workers get extra hate for it is because we’re women, we’re sexual, and we’re doing something society still wants to control.
And yeah—some men critique our rates. They’re allowed. But let’s be honest: a lot of those critiques come from a place of entitlement. Like they’re owed a certain kind of woman at a certain price. If you don’t like what they charge, don’t book them. But tearing them down publicly? That’s not market feedback—that’s ego.

I won't silence you for complaining, but that's my take on it. And if you were to message me for a session and asked to negotiate,  I wouldn't reply.

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PersonA complains about not being able to afford housing/groceries/bills while working two jobs and then PersonB tells them to shut up and just work harder and stop buying avocado toast.

Most people would call PersonB the insensitive asshole.

And yet here we are... people complaining about rates and providers telling them to shut up and make more money or just don't book at all.

Sounds like these Providers aren't taking a loss then and can maintain their price

Sw is dangerous for a variety of reasons , prices should not be low

I do not mind paying $300-$500 per hour but I can’t see how any SP is worth more, like in the $800+ range no matter what they look like, are like as a person or how good they are at sex. That is a ridiculous amount of money and I do agree in men complaining about ridiculously high rates like that.

I am seeing women charging $600-$1000 where I get the same value for half that. Many use highly edited photos as well and do not accurately represent what they look like. That is false advertising and it’s wrong.

[thatsoraven]

This idea that only “10s” can charge top rates is rooted in a narrow, shallow view of what clients actually want. You think every man booking at $800/hour is doing it just for a face and a body? No. They’re booking for discretion, connection, safety, personality, and a tailored experience they can’t get from someone who just looks good.
You say some of us are “desperately trying to convince” people we’re worth it? That’s called marketing. That’s what every business does. The only reason sex workers get extra hate for it is because we’re women, we’re sexual, and we’re doing something society still wants to control.
And yeah—some men critique our rates. They’re allowed. But let’s be honest: a lot of those critiques come from a place of entitlement. Like they’re owed a certain kind of woman at a certain price. If you don’t like what they charge, don’t book them. But tearing them down publicly? That’s not market feedback—that’s ego.

I won't silence you for complaining, but that's my take on it. And if you were to message me for a session and asked to negotiate,  I wouldn't reply.

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Sounds like these Providers aren't taking a loss then and can maintain their price

Sw is dangerous for a variety of reasons , prices should not be low

I do not paying $300-$500 per hour but I can’t see how any SP is worth more, like in the $800+ range no matter what they look like, are like as a person or how good they are at sex. That is a ridiculous amount of money and I do agree in men complaining about ridiculously high rates like that.

I am seeing women charging $600-$1000 where I get the same value for half that. Many use highly edited photos as well and do not accurately represent what they look like. That is false advertising and it’s wrong.

Women charging $1000/H are called Courtesans.  They're highly educated , top of the line, and extremely professional.  They can fit into every and any scene, and they should be demanding a higher rate. 

Photos should not be deceptive, Agreed. Ive never argued against that. 

We are still waiting on your reviews, Mr Tea.

[Mrtea]

If I were an escort who knew I was a 5 but was intent on desperately trying to convince everyone I was a 10 to justify charging top rates, I would likely shame and try to silence any men who criticized those rates.

The truth is, many of us earn significantly more than even the highest-paid escorts, so it's best to ignore it. Any escort who complains about men critiquing providers' rates is likely not very attractive, and is likely struggling financially.

This idea that only “10s” can charge top rates is rooted in a narrow, shallow view of what clients actually want. You think every man booking at $800/hour is doing it just for a face and a body? No. They’re booking for discretion, connection, safety, personality, and a tailored experience they can’t get from someone who just looks good.
You say some of us are “desperately trying to convince” people we’re worth it? That’s called marketing. That’s what every business does. The only reason sex workers get extra hate for it is because we’re women, we’re sexual, and we’re doing something society still wants to control.
And yeah—some men critique our rates. They’re allowed. But let’s be honest: a lot of those critiques come from a place of entitlement. Like they’re owed a certain kind of woman at a certain price. If you don’t like what they charge, don’t book them. But tearing them down publicly? That’s not market feedback—that’s ego.

I won't silence you for complaining, but that's my take on it. And if you were to message me for a session and asked to negotiate,  I wouldn't reply.

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PersonA complains about not being able to afford housing/groceries/bills while working two jobs and then PersonB tells them to shut up and just work harder and stop buying avocado toast.

Most people would call PersonB the insensitive asshole.

And yet here we are... people complaining about rates and providers telling them to shut up and make more money or just don't book at all.

Sounds like these Providers aren't taking a loss then and can maintain their price

Sw is dangerous for a variety of reasons , prices should not be low

I do not paying $300-$500 per hour but I can’t see how any SP is worth more, like in the $800+ range no matter what they look like, are like as a person or how good they are at sex. That is a ridiculous amount of money and I do agree in men complaining about ridiculously high rates like that.

I am seeing women charging $600-$1000 where I get the same value for half that. Many use highly edited photos as well and do not accurately represent what they look like. That is false advertising and it’s wrong.

[MissHunter]

The only rates of mine guys tend to complain about are my fs & greek rates but I keep them much higher than my non-fs rates cuz if I did fs too often I’d burn out & go loopy. Been there before and completely axed it for several years. But don’t mind doing it occasionally now. Greek is high cuz that’s a delicate area, plus proper prep takes time. And just like fs I don’t want to do it too often

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But if anyone complains. Meh, whatever I really don’t care.

[quarterback]

Okay, I’m just going to be honest, this might upset some people.

If a girl is a 9 or 10 in looks and has a great personality, she likely wouldn't need to resort to being an escort and probably wouldn't even think about doing it. Even 8s are quite uncommon in the escort industry.

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Women charging $1000/H are called Courtesans.  They're highly educated , top of the line, and extremely professional.  They can fit into every and any scene, and they should be demanding a higher rate. 

That is pure, fantasy, fairytale, make believe delusion. Sorry.

[thatsoraven]

Okay, I’m just going to be honest, this might upset some people.

If a girl is a 9 or 10 in looks and has a great personality, she likely wouldn't need to resort to being an escort and probably wouldn't even think about doing it. Even 8s are quite uncommon in the escort industry.

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Women charging $1000/H are called Courtesans.  They're highly educated , top of the line, and extremely professional.  They can fit into every and any scene, and they should be demanding a higher rate. 

That is pure, fantasy, fairytale, make believe delusion. Sorry.

Lol, weird take. Maybe Marcus could give you some more insight on this one. Tons of attractive females are pulling in money, worldwide.  This is how we have models, play boy bunnies,  yacht girls etc... and if you think theyre not putting out.. well..  many of them are, but they're priced high and discreet.  Many of us escort because its easy money, not because we don't have any other options. Jeez, going to see escorts with the opinion of " they have no other choice " ...

There are so many stories about the Courtesan. Simple Google search. Whole sports teams are supplied with top tier women at their request. Those girls are definitely 10s. Just because you haven't experienced it , doesnt mean it's not happening for someone else out there. Just go to LA for a weekend

[quarterback]

Okay, I’m just going to be honest, this might upset some people.

If a girl is a 9 or 10 in looks and has a great personality, she likely wouldn't need to resort to being an escort and probably wouldn't even think about doing it. Even 8s are quite uncommon in the escort industry.

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That is pure, fantasy, fairytale, make believe delusion. Sorry.

Lol, weird take. Maybe Marcus could give you some more insight on this one. Tons of attractive females are pulling in money, worldwide.  This is how we have models, play boy bunnies,  yacht girls etc... and if you think theyre not putting out.. well..  many of them are, but they're priced high and discreet.  Many of us escort because its easy money, not because we don't have any other options 

There are so many stories about the Courtesan. Simple Google search.

I said escorts. There are plenty of sugar babies who are 9s and 10s, as well as attractive civilian girls who get spoiled. I was specifically referring to Vancouver, not on an international scale. I also meant escorts who advertise publicly, rather than those who don't or work who for exclusive, non accessible agencies. I should have clarified what I meant in my last comment, but I didn't think it was needed.

This shouldn't be a controversial viewpoint. You can demand that men to believe that you and your coworkers are the most attractive, intelligent, and personable women in the world, but that simply doesn’t align with reality.

I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you.

[thatsoraven]

Lol, weird take. Maybe Marcus could give you some more insight on this one. Tons of attractive females are pulling in money, worldwide.  This is how we have models, play boy bunnies,  yacht girls etc... and if you think theyre not putting out.. well..  many of them are, but they're priced high and discreet.  Many of us escort because its easy money, not because we don't have any other options 

There are so many stories about the Courtesan. Simple Google search.

I said escorts. There are plenty of sugar babies who are 9s and 10s, as well as attractive civilian girls who get spoiled. I was specifically referring to Vancouver, not on an international scale. I also meant escorts who advertise publicly, rather than those who don't or work who for exclusive, non accessible agencies. I should have clarified what I meant in my last comment, but I didn't think it was needed.

This shouldn't be a controversial viewpoint. You can demand that men to believe that you and your coworkers are the most attractive, intelligent, and personable women in the world, but that simply doesn’t align with reality.

I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you.

Then clarify. Saves everyone time. Agreed. 

Anyone having sex for money is an Escort, imo. There are plenty of 10s that also Escort, however. Many within Canada.  

I am not demanding that men view me as the most attractive etc.  No, youve missed my point entirely there. Thats not a requirement and frankly that's ridiculous.  My response was to Yaletownfuckboi,  originally.  If that helps any. 

No, I'm bringing in some perspective, as always. I figured you'd be happy to hear a woman approach with " yes, but NOT all men ".

[MissHunter]

I think if you get to know a provider well there is a gentle way of bringing up the rate issue

Story time… the reason I let my current Dom into my personal life is he became my most regular client then politely mentioned he likes to see me often but paying my rate was getting hard on him. I said fuck it, you’re awesome you don’t even have to pay anymore. But he saw me so often, always respectful & was always drama free. Plus chemistry was off the charts. And that man never complains about anything. Absolutely don’t expect that reaction, but there are ways to gently & respectfully bring it up & leave it up to the provider to decide if she is willing to make a change

But you really have to put in the time & money before you even go there. Even then they may take offence. So tread carefully otherwise you could potentially lose what you consider to be an amazing provider

[MissHunter]

Aside from that which is more of a rare thing, I’ve worked out more reasonable arrangements $ wise with very regular regulars. Always guys who have put in significant time & $

But if you enter the gates trying to negotiate, I will laugh. That is all

[thevermin]

So does anyone have tips on making more cash?

[thatsoraven]

So does anyone have tips on making more cash?

Post on LeoList as a male escort

[yaletownfuckboi]

If we're going to use logical fallacies, here's one: it's known as a strawman argument. The providers in this situation are trying to redirect the conversation from "critiquing" the rates to "negotiating" them. Because thats an easier position to attack.

No one here is negotiating rates, I can almost guarantee it. Suggesting that our critique of the rates implies we're negotiating them is a total strawman argument and quite immature.

Let's stay on topic in this thread. If you'd like to start a discussion about clients "negotiating" rates, please create a separate thread for that.

[thatsoraven]

If we're going to use logical fallacies, here's one: it's known as a strawman argument. The providers in this situation are trying to redirect the conversation from "critiquing" the rates to "negotiating" them. Because thats an easier position to attack.

No one here is negotiating rates, I can almost guarantee it. Suggesting that our critique of the rates implies we're negotiating them is a total strawman argument and quite immature.

Let's stay on topic in this thread. If you'd like to start a discussion about clients "negotiating" rates, please create a separate thread for that.

I only made a recommendation not to do it. I never said anyone specifically was. Definitely wasn't hijacking.  It was but one sentence. Sure, let's refocus.

[yaletownfuckboi]

Complaining about a providers rate when writing a review is fair. I’ve just noticed you guys tend to pick on certain providers over and over again regarding their rates… it’s usually clients who have never even booked the providers in question either. If you haven’t actually booked the provider yourself, you’re not really qualified to say whether or not you think she’s worth her rate.
It’s also coming from the same clients who like to constantly brag about how rich they are…. So ya, it’s a little “cringe” to me, sorry I triggered you all with my thoughts on the matter lol

Which specific providers are being picked on regarding their rates? Please share some examples.

It's interesting that you mention men complaining about rates without having seen the provider. I don't really see that happening here. I've seen guys express something like, "I wouldn't book someone who looks like that for those rates," which I think is a reasonable perspective. 
If they’re lamenting about being unable to afford a provider’s rates in a sorry attempt to guilt her into lowering them, I find that extremely low value and lame behaviour. However, I still don’t really see guys doing that.

Should a guy be able to complain or critique a provider's rates if he hasn’t seen her? I think so. It's similar to seeing a tiny, rundown crack house for sale in Vancouver for $4 million and saying, "I would never pay that much for that." That seems pretty reasonable to me.

Which guys are constantly boasting about their wealth? I see some mentioning it because it’s relevant to the discussion, and I think that’s reasonable. Perhaps you’re referring to my earlier comment in this thread where I said, "most of us earn significantly more than these escorts." If that’s what you mean, I apologize, but that wasn’t meant to be a boast about being rich, it was simply stating an objective fact. I've mentioned my income here before, and I definitely don’t feel rich, especially living in an area with high taxes, a high cost of living, and a struggling economy.

[MissHunter]

If we're going to use logical fallacies, here's one: it's known as a strawman argument. The providers in this situation are trying to redirect the conversation from "critiquing" the rates to "negotiating" them. Because thats an easier position to attack.

No one here is negotiating rates, I can almost guarantee it. Suggesting that our critique of the rates implies we're negotiating them is a total strawman argument and quite immature.

Let's stay on topic in this thread. If you'd like to start a discussion about clients "negotiating" rates, please create a separate thread for that.

Ah ok. But the OP mentioned “complaining or critiquing rates” so that’s why we posted about negotiating. IMO negotiating gets filed under the “complaining” category 
I don’t think either myself or Raven intended to derail the thread 
But if a separate thread is required if that discussion needs to continue, not a problem

[thatsoraven]

If we're going to use logical fallacies, here's one: it's known as a strawman argument. The providers in this situation are trying to redirect the conversation from "critiquing" the rates to "negotiating" them. Because thats an easier position to attack.

No one here is negotiating rates, I can almost guarantee it. Suggesting that our critique of the rates implies we're negotiating them is a total strawman argument and quite immature.

Let's stay on topic in this thread. If you'd like to start a discussion about clients "negotiating" rates, please create a separate thread for that.

Ah ok. But the OP mentioned “complaining or critiquing rates” so that’s why we posted about negotiating. IMO negotiating gets filed under the “complaining” category 
I don’t think either myself or Raven intended to derail the thread 
But if a separate thread is required if that discussion needs to continue, not a problem

Responding to their replies isn't a privilege they want us to have