The societal perception of being a sugar baby versus an escort.

[MB_]

Why is it that being a sugar baby seems to carry much more social acceptance for women compared to being an escort?

It's evident that being a sugar baby is generally seen as much more socially acceptable by both men and women compared to being an escort.

I totally agree with that too, and I think there are several reasons behind it. However, I thought it would make for an interesting discussion.

Why do you think? Discuss.

[Jediknight]

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[yaletownfuckboi]

What’s more repulsive:
a girl who has sex with any man who pays her, regardless of his age, looks, weight, criminal record, political or social views, social skills, disabilities, or hygiene
or
a girl who has sex with a man she personally chooses and vets, who “spoils” her and gives her an allowance?

Obviously, there are different types of sugar babies, some lean more toward the escort side, with little to no standards. But if we go strictly by the two descriptions above, most men would likely choose the second girl if they had to pick one, and most women would probably find the second girl more socially acceptable as well.

Sugar babies have been somewhat normalized on social media and podcasts, Call Her Daddy, for example. But no matter how much people try to push the normalization of escorts through social media, Hollywood, or other platforms, it doesn’t really stick. There’s a strong repulsion factor from both men and women, and the reality is that most people don’t want to marry or be in a relationship with someone who is, or was, an escort.

There's also the factor that some sugar babies claim their arrangements are "platonic" and deny having sex with their sugar daddies. While it's obvious that this isn’t true in the vast majority of cases, to people, men or women, who haven’t been involved in sugar dating, that claim might actually seem believable.

I’m curious why women often seem to have a much stronger disdain for escorts than men do. It’s not just disapproval, many women appear unwilling to even befriend or associate with them. In contrast, men generally don’t want to date or marry escorts, but beyond that, they don’t seem to take as much issue with them personally.

[razzar1234]

the fact that paying for sex is illegal and getting a sugar baby is not pretty much confirms what the rest of the world thinks about it.

[Marko]

the fact that paying for sex is illegal and getting a sugar baby is not pretty confirms what the rest of the world thinks.

Despite the name, it's still illegal. "Sugar daddy" is merely a vetting system; it doesn't change the underlying reality that it's still prostitution. Seeking,com claims that they now use AI to detect clients soliciting paid sex.

As Altay has pointed out in the private forums, there is a significant amount of escorts who are also on sugar daddy websites. So if you are a client looking to join a sugar daddy site in the hopes of "upgrading" from escorts, you might be disappointed.

There is also a significant amount of escorts who begin their career on sugar daddy websites and then decide to move on to straight-up escorting. Escorts make more money. It's like a gateway drug. I’ve seen this even in their ads — I'm tired of sugar daddy dating, etc., etc... I guess sugar daddy's are not as awesome as they imagine.

[Wario]

Average sugar baby body count: 20
Average escort body count: 2000

[Silverfox]

As Altay has pointed out in the private forums, there is a significant amount of escorts who are also on sugar daddy websites. So if you are a client looking to join a sugar daddy site in the hopes of "upgrading" from escorts, you might be disappointed.
There is also a significant amount of escorts who begin their career on sugar daddy websites and then decide to move on to straight-up escorting. Escorts make more money. It's like a gateway drug. I’ve seen this even in their ads — I'm tired of sugar daddy dating, etc., etc... I guess sugar daddy's are not as awesome as they imagine.

Are there really that many?
Ive seen a few, but they make up a small amount of the girls on Seeking.

Most of the women I meet on Seeking tend to be university students or young professionals with regular jobs. After spending time together a few times, they usually become quite open about their personal lives, and share alot of personal info. I find it unlikely that escorts would be so forthcoming with private details. Besides, there are usually clear differences between an escort and someone not in the industry when it comes to how they act and carry themselves.

Maybe it just comes down to the age range and filters I’ve set. I’m fairly selective about who I meet, and I tend to go for younger women.

I agree that it can sometimes be a stepping stone to escorting, but I think that’s actually pretty uncommon. Most women have no interest in going down that path.

[Marko]

As Altay has pointed out in the private forums, there is a significant amount of escorts who are also on sugar daddy websites. So if you are a client looking to join a sugar daddy site in the hopes of "upgrading" from escorts, you might be disappointed.
There is also a significant amount of escorts who begin their career on sugar daddy websites and then decide to move on to straight-up escorting. Escorts make more money. It's like a gateway drug. I’ve seen this even in their ads — I'm tired of sugar daddy dating, etc., etc... I guess sugar daddy's are not as awesome as they imagine.

Are there really that many?
Ive seen a few, but they make up a small amount of the girls on Seeking.

Most of the women I meet on Seeking tend to be university students or young professionals with regular jobs. After spending time together a few times, they usually become quite open about their personal lives, and share alot of personal info. I find it unlikely that escorts would be so forthcoming with private details. Besides, there are usually clear differences between an escort and someone not in the industry when it comes to how they act and carry themselves.

Maybe it just comes down to the age range and filters I’ve set. I’m fairly selective about who I meet, and I tend to go for younger women.

I agree that it can sometimes be a stepping stone to escorting, but I think that’s actually pretty uncommon. Most women have no interest in going down that path.

Well I don't know how many or what the ratio is but there are lots. Any women who signs up for sugar daddy is signing up to sell sex for money. Whether its 20 men or 2000 men it's still the same motivation behind it. None of them join Seeking to meet the man of their dreams, they want easy money in exchange for sex. They are prostitutes now matter how much you sugar coat it. Even OnlyFans models in a monogamous relationship are still prostitutes, in my opinion.

[Rizzgod]

[u]

a girl who has sex with a man she personally chooses and vets, who “spoils” her and gives her an allowance?

This is essentially the typical arrangement that most women envision when they consider becoming a sugar baby.

The reality is, many women may not meet the attractiveness standards required for this type of higher end arrangement, so they often end up interacting with or meeting with lower tier sugar daddies, men who might be stingy, aren't rich or good looking, and seeking something closer to an escort experience. Similarly, many men can't secure this type of arrangement either, as they often lack the financial means or appeal to attract high end, highly attractive sugar babies.

I think these more traditional sugar daddy–sugar baby arrangements are much more common in major U.S. cities. In places like Vancouver, there just isn’t the same concentration of wealth or high-income men.

I'd also say that, from my experience, most attractive, non-escort type girls typically only want one sugar daddy. So once they find one, which usually happens pretty quickly if they're attractive enough, they're basically off the market fast.

[OF_Manager]

Whats the difference between a girl being a sugar baby , and a girl who is dating a rich guy? There isn't much difference.

An escort, on the other hand, is more like a girl who is a 4 who gets drunk at the club or parties, hooks up with a guy who regrets it afterwards and never speaks to her again, and then moves on to repeat the same pattern again and again.

[quarterback]

I'd also say that, from my experience, most attractive, non-escort type girls typically only want one sugar daddy. So once they find one, which usually happens pretty quickly if they're attractive enough, they're basically off the market fast.

I’ve noticed that too. After the meet and greet or once things are set up with a girl, she’ll often delete her Seeking account or take down her pictures so she’s not searchable anymore. I can tell because I have two accounts, so I check to see if she just blocked me or something. I don’t ask for exclusivity, but I think a lot of girls just don’t want to be sleeping with a bunch of random guys, or at least not multiple sugar daddies at once.

[Silverfox]

When are you guys having sex with your sugar babies?
For me its typically the 2nd or 3rd meet.

[razzar1234]

the fact that paying for sex is illegal and getting a sugar baby is not pretty confirms what the rest of the world thinks.

Despite the name, it's still illegal. "Sugar daddy" is merely a vetting system; it doesn't change the underlying reality that it's still prostitution. 

yes, that's what common sense points to. But with sugar dating there's at least plausible deniability. It's a legal gray area.

[zoomer]

I got banned from Seeking

[mozzy]

When are you guys having sex with your sugar babies?
For me its typically the 2nd or 3rd meet.

1st or 2nd meet typically for me. I get bored easily after that and move on lol.

[not_a_drugdealer]

Whether its 20 men or 2000 men it's still the same motivation behind it.

I mean, there's a big gap between a body count of 20 and 2000. Hitting 2000, or even over 100 pretty much guarantees some serious psychological damage. That is not the behaviour of a mentally intact woman.

[aceee]

[u]

a girl who has sex with a man she personally chooses and vets, who “spoils” her and gives her an allowance?

This is essentially the typical arrangement that most women envision when they consider becoming a sugar baby.

The reality is, many women may not meet the attractiveness standards required for this type of higher end arrangement, so they often end up interacting with or meeting with lower tier sugar daddies, men who might be stingy, aren't rich or good looking, and seeking something closer to an escort experience. Similarly, many men can't secure this type of arrangement either, as they often lack the financial means or appeal to attract high end, highly attractive sugar babies.

I think these more traditional sugar daddy–sugar baby arrangements are much more common in major U.S. cities. In places like Vancouver, there just isn’t the same concentration of wealth or high-income men.

I'd also say that, from my experience, most attractive, non-escort type girls typically only want one sugar daddy. So once they find one, which usually happens pretty quickly if they're attractive enough, they're basically off the market fast.

Never underestimate how delusional and naive woman can be.

I think a lot of women join Seeking or look for a sugar daddy expecting to meet someone who’s like a younger, more attractive, polite, and fit version of Henry Cavill. They imagine it’ll be just like dating, going out on nice dates, sex but only because its a guy they would have sex with for free,  but with the added bonus of getting a surprise $1000 e-transfer afterward, with no questions asked. That’s the kind of fantasy a lot of women picture when they enter this world.

Blame 50 shades of grey and lying podcasters

[Rizzgod]

This is essentially the typical arrangement that most women envision when they consider becoming a sugar baby.

The reality is, many women may not meet the attractiveness standards required for this type of higher end arrangement, so they often end up interacting with or meeting with lower tier sugar daddies, men who might be stingy, aren't rich or good looking, and seeking something closer to an escort experience. Similarly, many men can't secure this type of arrangement either, as they often lack the financial means or appeal to attract high end, highly attractive sugar babies.

I think these more traditional sugar daddy–sugar baby arrangements are much more common in major U.S. cities. In places like Vancouver, there just isn’t the same concentration of wealth or high-income men.

I'd also say that, from my experience, most attractive, non-escort type girls typically only want one sugar daddy. So once they find one, which usually happens pretty quickly if they're attractive enough, they're basically off the market fast.

Never underestimate how delusional and naive woman can be.

I think a lot of women join Seeking or look for a sugar daddy expecting to meet someone who’s like a younger, more attractive, polite, and fit version of Henry Cavill. They imagine it’ll be just like dating, going out on nice dates, sex but only because its a guy they would have sex with for free,  but with the added bonus of getting a surprise $1000 e-transfer afterward, with no questions asked. That’s the kind of fantasy a lot of women picture when they enter this world.

Blame 50 shades of grey and lying podcasters

I think that mindset is common among a lot of them.

The thing is, there are guys out there who fit that type, or come close, but they’re few and far between in cities like Vancouver, theres probably only a handful of them. So, for a girl to land a sugar daddy like that, she has to be really attractive, youthful, feminine, well-spoken, and all of that. Even if she manages to snag one, that sugar daddy is likely to have tons of options and probably multiple sugar babies at once, and will also be seeing civilian woman. That means she’s going to need to put in a lot of effort to keep him around long-term, and even then, he might just lose interest or get bored one day.