"complaining" about rates?

[MB_]

Complaining or critiquing rates. It appears to be one of the main topics that frustrates providers the most, but from the client's perspective, it holds significant value. What do you think? justified? or poor etiquette ?

[thevermin]

PersonA complains about not being able to afford housing/groceries/bills while working two jobs and then PersonB tells them to shut up and just work harder and stop buying avocado toast.

Most people would call PersonB the insensitive asshole.

And yet here we are... people complaining about rates and providers telling them to shut up and make more money or just don't book at all.

[yaletownfuckboi]

If I were an escort who knew I was a 5 but was intent on desperately trying to convince everyone I was a 10 to justify charging top rates, I would likely shame and try to silence any men who criticized those rates.

The truth is, many of us earn significantly more than even the highest-paid escorts, so it's best to ignore it. Any escort who complains about men critiquing providers' rates is likely not very attractive, and is likely struggling financially.

[quarterback]

If I were an escort who knew I was a 5 but was intent on desperately trying to convince everyone I was a 10 to justify charging top rates

You just described 90% of the ladies on Tryst lol

[thatsoraven]

If I were an escort who knew I was a 5 but was intent on desperately trying to convince everyone I was a 10 to justify charging top rates, I would likely shame and try to silence any men who criticized those rates.

The truth is, many of us earn significantly more than even the highest-paid escorts, so it's best to ignore it. Any escort who complains about men critiquing providers' rates is likely not very attractive, and is likely struggling financially.

This idea that only “10s” can charge top rates is rooted in a narrow, shallow view of what clients actually want. You think every man booking at $800/hour is doing it just for a face and a body? No. They’re booking for discretion, connection, safety, personality, and a tailored experience they can’t get from someone who just looks good.
You say some of us are “desperately trying to convince” people we’re worth it? That’s called marketing. That’s what every business does. The only reason sex workers get extra hate for it is because we’re women, we’re sexual, and we’re doing something society still wants to control.
And yeah—some men critique our rates. They’re allowed. But let’s be honest: a lot of those critiques come from a place of entitlement. Like they’re owed a certain kind of woman at a certain price. If you don’t like what they charge, don’t book them. But tearing them down publicly? That’s not market feedback—that’s ego.

I won't silence you for complaining, but that's my take on it. And if you were to message me for a session and asked to negotiate,  I wouldn't reply.

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PersonA complains about not being able to afford housing/groceries/bills while working two jobs and then PersonB tells them to shut up and just work harder and stop buying avocado toast.

Most people would call PersonB the insensitive asshole.

And yet here we are... people complaining about rates and providers telling them to shut up and make more money or just don't book at all.

Sounds like these Providers aren't taking a loss then and can maintain their price

Sw is dangerous for a variety of reasons , prices should not be low

[quarterback]

This idea that only “10s” can charge top rates is rooted in a narrow, shallow view of what clients actually want. You think every man booking at $800/hour is doing it just for a face and a body? No. They’re booking for discretion, connection, safety, personality, and a tailored experience they can’t get from someone who just looks good.
You say some of us are “desperately trying to convince” people we’re worth it? That’s called marketing. That’s what every business does. The only reason sex workers get extra hate for it is because we’re women, we’re sexual, and we’re doing something society still wants to control.
And yeah—some men critique our rates. They’re allowed. But let’s be honest: a lot of those critiques come from a place of entitlement. Like they’re owed a certain kind of woman at a certain price. If you don’t like what they charge, don’t book them. But tearing them down publicly? That’s not market feedback—that’s ego.
I won't silence you for complaining, but that's my take on it. And if you were to message me for a session and asked to negotiate,  I wouldn't reply.

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That's a rather self-aggrandizing way to put it.

What clients want first and foremost is. looks, face, and body. I can assure you that this is true for almost every client an escort meets.
While connection and personality can be a nice bonus, as long as your nice we dont care that much, we aren't trying to date you.

No, the reason some escorts face backlash for their high rates and marketing is that they are incredibly deceptive, most escorts look nowhere near as good as their photos portray, and are lying about their ages.

If you’re unaware of how looks-driven men can be, then you really don’t understand the audience you’re marketing too.

I expect you'll respond with your usual argument: "Don't generalize, I know an exception."

[thatsoraven]

This idea that only “10s” can charge top rates is rooted in a narrow, shallow view of what clients actually want. You think every man booking at $800/hour is doing it just for a face and a body? No. They’re booking for discretion, connection, safety, personality, and a tailored experience they can’t get from someone who just looks good.
You say some of us are “desperately trying to convince” people we’re worth it? That’s called marketing. That’s what every business does. The only reason sex workers get extra hate for it is because we’re women, we’re sexual, and we’re doing something society still wants to control.
And yeah—some men critique our rates. They’re allowed. But let’s be honest: a lot of those critiques come from a place of entitlement. Like they’re owed a certain kind of woman at a certain price. If you don’t like what they charge, don’t book them. But tearing them down publicly? That’s not market feedback—that’s ego.
I won't silence you for complaining, but that's my take on it. And if you were to message me for a session and asked to negotiate,  I wouldn't reply.

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That's a rather self-aggrandizing way to put it.

What clients want first and foremost is. looks, face, and body. I can assure you that this is true for almost every client an escort meets.
While connection and personality can be a nice bonus, as long as your nice we dont care that much, we aren't trying to date you.

No, the reason some escorts face backlash for their high rates and marketing is that they are incredibly deceptive, most escorts look nowhere near as good as their photos portray, and are lying about their ages.

If you’re unaware of how looks-driven men can be, then you really don’t understand the audience you’re marketing too.

I expect you'll respond with your usual argument: "Don't generalize, I know an exception."

Good lord, it's like very few people here understand black and white thinking and it's toxicity, and most want to generalize. Some clients value different things than you do, or find different body types attractive from what you do, and that DOES count for something 

I only ever come on here to offer up some perspective 

Yup, you're right. That's exactly my response. 

No, it's not self aggrandizing way to put it. I often use my account to be a voice for people that aren't on here. Don't make an assumption that my feedback is strictly regarding me, because its not.

Challenging the mindsets on this board is basically a pastime of mine , so expect it. Echo chambers aren't constructive.

Also. Really, claiming I don't understand how looks driven clients are. I am an escort. I know men desire what appeals to them. But what  appeals to them will be unique in taste, and thats my point here.

Correction. I know of many exceptions. My friend is a BBW and made a killing every time she worked. Clients loved her look and her personality.  

Anyway, talk about rates all you'd like, but I don't think it will make much of a difference,  and I don't recommend approaching an escort to negotiate her rate either because you'll likely be blocked for it.
 I'd just shop within your budget .

[quarterback]

Anyway, talk about rates all you'd like, but I don't think it will make much of a difference,  and I don't recommend approaching an escort to negotiate her rate either because you'll likely be blocked for it. I'd just shop within your budget .

Yep, there we go, you couldn't resist resorting to passive-aggressive remarks and suggesting that I'm poor and negotiating with escorts.Yes, there we go—you couldn't resist resorting to passive-aggressive remarks and suggesting that I'm poor and negotiating with escorts.

[thatsoraven]

Anyway, talk about rates all you'd like, but I don't think it will make much of a difference,  and I don't recommend approaching an escort to negotiate her rate either because you'll likely be blocked for it. I'd just shop within your budget .

Yep, there we go, you couldn't resist resorting to passive-aggressive remarks and suggesting that I'm poor and negotiating with escorts.Yes, there we go—you couldn't resist resorting to passive-aggressive remarks and suggesting that I'm poor and negotiating with escorts.

Where did I say you're poor? I don't know your level of income. I wouldn't call someone spending $300/H on an escort poor... 
No, I said stick to your budget. That budget is up to you to decide, and I don't know it. 

Yeah, I made a recommendation,  because I know girls and how they think. Think of this as me trying to help you. Also making a recommendation is different from accusing you of negotiating . Its practical advice,  and not an insult. I have no clue if you do or don't. I am not part of those conversations.

[FinanceBro]

If I were an escort who knew I was a 5 but was intent on desperately trying to convince everyone I was a 10 to justify charging top rates, I would likely shame and try to silence any men who criticized those rates.
The truth is, many of us earn significantly more than even the highest-paid escorts, so it's best to ignore it. Any escort who complains about men critiquing providers' rates is likely not very attractive, and is likely struggling financially.

And in response to men having any complaints they always resort to shaming language, such as: insecure, budget, afford, cringe, misogny , creepy, harraser, etc.

They’re rarely very original, but I suppose we’re not usually dealing with the most intelligent individuals. It’s amusing because, as you pointed out, most of us earn significantly more than they do, and yet they are the femcels.

The truth is, they are the ones who are so insecure and financially constrained that they feel the need to engage in sex for money as a career.

And just to clarify before anyone gets upset, I’m talking about the escorts who take issue with men voicing complaints about rates or those who are critical of review boards.

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That's a rather self-aggrandizing way to put it.

What clients want first and foremost is. looks, face, and body. I can assure you that this is true for almost every client an escort meets.
While connection and personality can be a nice bonus, as long as your nice we dont care that much, we aren't trying to date you.

No, the reason some escorts face backlash for their high rates and marketing is that they are incredibly deceptive, most escorts look nowhere near as good as their photos portray, and are lying about their ages.

If you’re unaware of how looks-driven men can be, then you really don’t understand the audience you’re marketing too.

I expect you'll respond with your usual argument: "Don't generalize, I know an exception."

Good lord, it's like no one understands black and white thinking and it's toxicity, and everyone wants to generalize. Some clients value different things than you do, or find different body types attractive from what you do, and that DOES count for something 

I only ever come on here to offer up some perspective 

Yup, you're right. That's exactly my response. 

No, it's not self aggrandizing way to put it. I often use my account to be a voice for people that aren't on here. Don't make an assumption that my feedback is strictly regarding me, because its not.

Challenging the mindsets on this board is basically a pastime of mine , so expect it. Echo chambers aren't constructive.

Also. Really, claiming I don't understand how looks driven clients are. I am an escort. I know men desire what appeals to them. But what  appeals to them will be unique in taste, and thats my point here.

Correction. I know of many exceptions. My friend is a BBW and made a killing every time she worked. Clients loved her look and her personality.  

Anyway, talk about rates all you'd like, but I don't think it will make much of a difference,  and I don't recommend approaching an escort to negotiate her rate either because you'll likely be blocked for it.
 I'd just shop within your budget .

Case and point, shaming language

[thatsoraven]

If I were an escort who knew I was a 5 but was intent on desperately trying to convince everyone I was a 10 to justify charging top rates, I would likely shame and try to silence any men who criticized those rates.
The truth is, many of us earn significantly more than even the highest-paid escorts, so it's best to ignore it. Any escort who complains about men critiquing providers' rates is likely not very attractive, and is likely struggling financially.

And in response to men having any complaints they always resort to shaming language, such as: insecure, budget, afford, cringe, misogny , creepy, harraser, etc.

They’re rarely very original, but I suppose we’re not usually dealing with the most intelligent individuals. It’s amusing because, as you pointed out, most of us earn significantly more than they do, and yet they are the femcels.

The truth is, they are the ones who are so insecure and financially constrained that they feel the need to engage in sex for money.

And just to clarify before anyone gets upset, I’m talking about the escorts who take issue with men voicing complaints about rates or those who are critical of review boards.

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Good lord, it's like no one understands black and white thinking and it's toxicity, and everyone wants to generalize. Some clients value different things than you do, or find different body types attractive from what you do, and that DOES count for something 

I only ever come on here to offer up some perspective 

Yup, you're right. That's exactly my response. 

No, it's not self aggrandizing way to put it. I often use my account to be a voice for people that aren't on here. Don't make an assumption that my feedback is strictly regarding me, because its not.

Challenging the mindsets on this board is basically a pastime of mine , so expect it. Echo chambers aren't constructive.

Also. Really, claiming I don't understand how looks driven clients are. I am an escort. I know men desire what appeals to them. But what  appeals to them will be unique in taste, and thats my point here.

Correction. I know of many exceptions. My friend is a BBW and made a killing every time she worked. Clients loved her look and her personality.  

Anyway, talk about rates all you'd like, but I don't think it will make much of a difference,  and I don't recommend approaching an escort to negotiate her rate either because you'll likely be blocked for it.
 I'd just shop within your budget .

Case and point, shaming language

Where is the shame ? ?  Because I mentioned the word budget ? Didn't know having a budget was shameful.

Not every situation or incident is identical,  so yes, if you're a man that's sending several text messages to a provider asking her multiple times to reduce her rate after being told no, then yes this is harassment and it does happen. And it is  cringe. Yes, depending on your approach, you may be labeled.

[thatsoraven]

Where is the shame ? ?  Because I mentioned the word budget ? Didn't know having a budget was shameful.

Ok Raven.
Maybe advertise that you have autism.
Maybe advertise that you have a cuck boyfriend.
Maybe advertise that you got into escorting because you dont have any other marketable skills

Nothing shameful about any of that

The only attacker here is you , at this point. And you're making assumptions.  You don't know me. These are nothing but insults because you don't like that I used the word budget, because for some reason that's a trigger word for you. Most people have budgets.  It's universal.

[thatsoraven]

The only attacker here is you , at this point. And you're making assumptions.  You don't know me. These are nothing but insults because you don't like that I used the word budget, because for some that's a trigger word for you.

Thats literally what you are doing. every fucking thread you do the same thing.
Its autism , it has to be , holy shit

I offer up a different perspective, yes. If offering up a different perspective, gets me the label of autism, then for all those claiming you're not a sheeple and free thinkers... well, I've got news for you

I know it hurts to have a woman here.Who's not trying to please you and conform to what you want, it's okay you can say that , it would be a lot more accurate if you did

[Lawman]

Wouldn't it be nice if we could have a thread without Raven taking it over and making it about herself

[thatsoraven]

Wouldn't it be nice if we could have a thread without Raven taking it over and making it about herself

Vote me off the island because of a different perspective, hmmm. There are lots of threads I haven't commented on. 

Just say it, you don't want to hear female opinions unless its in line with what you want to hear

I didn't even make the thread about myself. No where did I speak about my own preferences.

[thatsoraven]

I offer up a different perspective, yes. If offering up a different perspective, gets me the label of autism, then for all those claiming you're not a sheeple and free thinkers... well, I've got news for you

I know it hurts to have a woman here.Who's not trying to please you and conform to what you want, it's okay you can say that , it would be a lot more accurate if you did

No, it's about how you use passive-aggressive behavior to take little jabs at others, while expecting a different standard from everyone else that you don't adhere to.

What jabs ? Specifically tell me how practical advice about budgeting is a jab? Budgeting doesn't mean your poor, it means you have a plan

[Emilia_S]

Could you guys make it any more obvious that you share all of my private messages on here? Ahaha

Complaining about a providers rate when writing a review is fair. I’ve just noticed you guys tend to pick on certain providers over and over again regarding their rates… it’s usually clients who have never even booked the providers in question either. If you haven’t actually booked the provider yourself, you’re not really qualified to say whether or not you think she’s worth her rate.

It’s also coming from the same clients who like to constantly brag about how rich they are…. So ya, it’s a little “cringe” to me, sorry I triggered you all with my thoughts on the matter lol

I have to respond because so many of the posts on here are obviously responses to private messages I’ve sent to members on here ahah

I’ll stop sharing my thoughts on the industry moving forward, I’ve already started enough discourse without even trying

[thatsoraven]

pudgy low budget tattooed brunette escorts are soo annoying and dumb and i know better than anyone

but i totally not talking about you raven dont be so insecure and assume im talking about you

^how you argue 

No where did I name call anyone in this thread , which is what you're doing here. I won't take the bait, not my taste. Thanks. This is called Ad Hominem. 
I recommended not asking an escort to lower her rates and suggested sticking to a budget, that's it that's all. Sorry I didn't know that was so offensive. 

Also, maybe stop being so black and white in your approach, it's too easy pole holes in your arguments. If I'm constantly catching you on this , that's because thats your fault. Stop trying to speak for all men, and maybe just speak for yourself. For starters. Not making sweeping generalizations is the opposite of dumb

[Mikey]

Complaining or critiquing rates. It appears to be one of the main topics that frustrates providers the most, but from the client's perspective, it holds significant value. What do you think? justified? or poor etiquette ?

Getting back to the original question, I don't have a problem saying I don't think a session with so-and-so was worth whatever I paid the lady.  That's my opinion based on my experience and everyone can take it with a grain of salt if they want.  Same if I said the session was worth it or it's great deal for what was offered.   

Complaining to a lady I want to see about her rates...that's just a dick move.  I find someone who offers what I want at the price I'm willing to pay.  It's simple.  I enjoyed several sessions with Betty Black a few years ago, but she moved out of the budget I was willing to pay her....so I stopped seeing her.  I moved on...so many hotties to see within what I am willing to pay.  Do you haggle with your lawyer, massage therapist, bartender, etc?  Yes, SW is a bit of a taboo industry so it's not quite the same, but you just piss off the provider and likely don't get a session, or on the slim chance they negotiate, you probably aren't getting the same service you'd get otherwise.