"complaining" about rates?

[MissHunter]

Ah ok. But the OP mentioned “complaining or critiquing rates” so that’s why we posted about negotiating. IMO negotiating gets filed under the “complaining” category 
I don’t think either myself or Raven intended to derail the thread 
But if a separate thread is required if that discussion needs to continue, not a problem

No, I was replying to Yaletownfuckboi comment about 5 and 10s, then things spiraled and FianceBro had himself a good cry

Oh yes. The cry was about budgeting lol

No worries guys I’ll get me coat now & get my ass off the thread now lol

[thatsoraven]

If we're going to use logical fallacies, here's one: it's known as a strawman argument. The providers in this situation are trying to redirect the conversation from "critiquing" the rates to "negotiating" them. Because thats an easier position to attack.

No one here is negotiating rates, I can almost guarantee it. Suggesting that our critique of the rates implies we're negotiating them is a total strawman argument and quite immature.

Let's stay on topic in this thread. If you'd like to start a discussion about clients "negotiating" rates, please create a separate thread for that.

They missed the part entirely when I say critique all you'd like , said at least twice

[yaletownfuckboi]

Another observation I've made about escorts is that, generally speaking, they often don't aren't very feminine.

Femininity is one of the most appealing qualities a woman can possess in terms of personality, so it seems strange to me that so many escorts believe we are drawn to their personalities.

[MissHunter]

Another observation I've made about escorts is that, generally speaking, they often don't aren't very feminine.

Femininity is one of the most appealing qualities a woman can possess in terms of personality, so it seems strange to me that so many escorts believe we are drawn to their personalities.

Now you’re derailing the thread lol 

Maybe SWs come across as less feminine cuz if any of them were too delicate this industry would eat them alive. Re; some mens attraction to personality, I think you’ll understand better when you get older

[thatsoraven]

Another observation I've made about escorts is that, generally speaking, they often don't aren't very feminine.

Femininity is one of the most appealing qualities a woman can possess in terms of personality, so it seems strange to me that so many escorts believe we are drawn to their personalities.

I really want to know what feminine means to you ? Is it that we shut up and not challenge you ? Altay seems to think that's what it means

[Doggo]

Like it's been said before. You can critique a sp's rate freely in a review, because it's subject to your own criteria. However, complaining about it without actually seeing the provider is just absurd. Why can't you as easily assume that she can be worth every single penny? For example, some guys like bbw for some reason and they'd be willing to pay extra bucks for that, while i'm into spinner with nice bum kinda guy and i wouldn't pay a single thing for bbw. That doesn't give me the right to go out and say why is a fatty charging 500 dollar per hour and she should be dropping rates to what she is worth.
Plus, complaining doesn't get you anything. 1. none of the people here can decrease sp's rate for you. 2. sps sure won't decrease their rates based off of your complaints. Just wank off if you can't find some one up to your criteria. I still wank off even having a sugar baby. 
Off topic: However, I can absolutely understand the frustration. after covid with the rise and prevalence of ONLYFANS, the talent pool of escort scene have been declining. It's just my experience.

[OF_Manager]

One point I haven't seen discussed yet is that many of the providers on Tryst with high rates used to charge much lower prices. One reason for this is that, although not all of them do, many have regular clients they've been seeing for years and continue to charge those clients their old rates. In contrast, new clients are charged the higher, current rates. For instance, a provider may charge a long-time regular $300 per hour, but if a new client reaches out to book, they might be charged $800 an hour or whatever their current listed rate is.

I'm not sure what percentage of ladies are doing this, I don't know if it's a majority or just a handful, but I am aware that it is occurring.

[thatsoraven]

Like it's been said before. You can critique a sp's rate freely in a review, because it's subject to your own criteria. However, complaining about it without actually seeing the provider is just absurd. Why can't you as easily assume that she can be worth every single penny? For example, some guys like bbw for some reason and they'd be willing to pay extra bucks for that, while i'm into spinner with nice bum kinda guy and i wouldn't pay a single thing for bbw. That doesn't give me the right to go out and say why is a fatty charging 500 dollar per hour and she should be dropping rates to what she is worth.
Plus, complaining doesn't get you anything. 1. none of the people here can decrease sp's rate for you. 2. sps sure won't decrease their rates based off of your complaints. Just wank off if you can't find some one up to your criteria. I still wank off even having a sugar baby. 
Off topic: However, I can absolutely understand the frustration. after covid with the rise and prevalence of ONLYFANS, the talent pool of escort scene have been declining. It's just my experience.

This guy gets it

[Mrtea]

Women charging $1000/H are called Courtesans.  They're highly educated , top of the line, and extremely professional.  They can fit into every and any scene, and they should be demanding a higher rate. 

Photos should not be deceptive, Agreed. Ive never argued against that. 

We are still waiting on your reviews, Mr Tea.

No these are women who over market themselves to make it seem like they are better than other escorts but you are all doing the same thing at the end of the day. Get off your high horse. Courtesans, yea okay. I have met many highly educated and professional SP’s who are in the $300-$500 range. Higher cost when it comes to higher that that doesn’t mean better quality.

Why are you so keen on reading a review I make? I have left comments about a couple of providers I have send under reviews which suits me just fine.

[thatsoraven]

Women charging $1000/H are called Courtesans.  They're highly educated , top of the line, and extremely professional.  They can fit into every and any scene, and they should be demanding a higher rate. 

Photos should not be deceptive, Agreed. Ive never argued against that. 

We are still waiting on your reviews, Mr Tea.

No these are women who over market themselves to make it seem like they are better than other escorts but you are all doing the same thing at the end of the day. Get off your high horse. Courtesans, yea okay. I have met many highly educated and professional SP’s who are in the $300-$500 range. Higher cost when it comes to higher that that doesn’t mean better quality.

Why are you so keen on reading a review I make? I have left comments about a couple of providers I have send under reviews which suits me just fine.

Yes, $300 - $500 priced Escorts can still be educated, but Courtesans are next level. Let's not be ridiculous here. Google what a Courtesan is. Highly educated,  professional, classy, extremely high end look. 
I am not saying one is better than the other. Both are fantastic , however they are different

You should know this, Kel

[thevermin]

So I can be a courtesan by charging $1000/h too? I'm taking notes and leveling up.

[MissHunter]

So I can be a courtesan by charging $1000/h too?  I'm taking notes and leveling up.

That’s quite the level up from McDonald’s lol

[razzar1234]

A lot of SP's seem to think that just because we're wealthy, we should just roll over, and give up any amount of money without question. 

In reality, it's an issue of value. A 5 shouldn't charge the rate of a 10. That's a simple fact.

[Mikey]

A lot of SP's seem to think that just because we're wealthy, we should just roll over, and give up any amount of money without question. 

In reality, it's an issue of value. A 5 shouldn't charge the rate of a 10. That's a simple fact.

It's so funny reading some of the comments here, especially this one above.  Are you also in favour of rent controls?  Supply management gets your vote too?  Sex work is a free market:  a 1 can charge whatever they want.  Here's a little secret - you don't have to pay the rate if you don't want to.  If no one is buying, then the swer will lower their rates or leave the business or rebrand.  If you see the price staying at a 10 for someone you think is a 5, then probably they float someone's boat and are making enough not to have to lower their rates.  This isn't rocket science lol

[razzar1234]

A lot of SP's seem to think that just because we're wealthy, we should just roll over, and give up any amount of money without question. 

In reality, it's an issue of value. A 5 shouldn't charge the rate of a 10. That's a simple fact.

Here's a little secret - you don't have to pay the rate if you don't want to.

Don't worry bro i won't. And neither will 99% of buyers. 

You see, the vast majority of girls in such cases do lower their prices. Or they switch to a permanent beta provider. Or they add to their menu to make the costs worthwhile. 

But if you feel inclined to pay thousands of dollars to 200lb sp's, then by all means.

[Mikey]

Nah, I'm not a baller like some of the dudes here. I have a budget for this and plan accordingly.

[adastra]

Wouldn't it be nice if we could have a thread without Raven taking it over and making it about herself

Vote me off the island because of a different perspective, hmmm. There are lots of threads I haven't commented on. 

Just say it, you don't want to hear female opinions unless its in line with what you want to hear

I didn't even make the thread about myself. No where did I speak about my own preferences.

What Lawman is referring to is your 'crusader attitude'. I genuinely appreciate hearing your perspective Raven, but I find it a bit distracting when you respond to everyone's comments multiple times with a different viewpoint - just for the sake of it. It lessens your point when you do this. It makes it harder for me/us to understand the flow of the thread. You don't need to speak for others - just share your own thoughts.

Rates are 100% legitimate to discuss between clients. We care about rates. We make decisions based on rates. You say that you don't change rates based on this kind of feedback and I say you are all full of shit.  If you don't like that - tuff titty said the kitty when the milk ran dry.

[thatsoraven]

Vote me off the island because of a different perspective, hmmm. There are lots of threads I haven't commented on. 

Just say it, you don't want to hear female opinions unless its in line with what you want to hear

I didn't even make the thread about myself. No where did I speak about my own preferences.

What Lawman is referring to is your 'crusader attitude'. I genuinely appreciate hearing your perspective Raven, but I find it a bit distracting when you respond to everyone's comments multiple times with a different viewpoint - just for the sake of it. It lessens your point when you do this. It makes it harder for me/us to understand the flow of the thread. You don't need to speak for others - just share your own thoughts.

Rates are 100% legitimate to discuss between clients. We care about rates. We make decisions based on rates. You say that you don't change rates based on this kind of feedback and I say you are all full of shit.  If you don't like that - tuff titty said the kitty when the milk ran dry.

I said if someone messaged me and tried to negotiate with me , then I wouldn't reply. If my price is listed that day for $350/H, that's what it is.  Ive already made up my mind. I think that's what youre failing to see. Our rates will only ever come down if they need to. So, if you see a women posted at $500/H, she's already made her choice based off of what she's comfortable with and the current demand

I dont chim in on every thread, but you're right, I'll often give feedback when I think it's necessary,  and when I see people speaking in extremes. 

I just want perspective and facts.

[marcus.glizzy]

would any of them even get bookings if they didnt catfish with edited and old pictures

who wants to pay for sex with an ugly or a mid