Rizzgod's Guide to Sugar Dating

[altig@tor]

It sounds like we need a separate sugar babe reviews and review board.
The time has come!
Yes sugar business is less stable and more volatile and there is a competition on both sides. But, maybe those who clearly take money and disappear should be known.
Also, nice to know, who is a former escort in the pool. I would imagine many guys don't want a former escort as a sugar babe
Etc etc etc
Menz.life-sugar listings and reviews = find the sweetest beet/potato/sugar cane plantation!

I would be a bit cautious about this, to be honest. I think starting a review forum for sugar babies could make many women hesitant to participate in sugar dating. It might also result in a forum or group where sugar babies review sugar daddies. Even worse, it could devolve into something similar to those "are we dating the same guy" facebook pages. 

The truth is that sugar daddies and sugar babies usually have a lot more personal information about each other compared to the relationship between an escort and a client. What currently keeps things in balance is a kind of mutually assured destruction. Additionally, both parties have a level of plausible deniability, allowing them to claim that they are not exchanging sex for money and to maintain the facade of conventional dating if it comes to light and they get exposed.

Furthermore, many sugar babies tend to see only a small number of sugar daddies, with some having just one at a time. The same applies to sugar daddies. They also do different stuff with different guys, they may make one wait for sex, while having sex with another right away.  Therefore, even if a review is posted "anonymously," she can likely narrow it down. Unlike escorts who may have multiple clients in a single day or see double-digit numbers each month, the dynamics are different in sugar relationships.

There’s a lot men can do to protect themselves in sugar dating: always arrange an unpaid meet and greet, don’t give money for platonic hangouts, and simply ghost the rude and psychopathic ones without engaging. In a sugar dating dynamic, the man has all the leverage, so act like it.

I do think that really bad sugar babies who are acting unethically or scamming should be exposed. I also believe we should call out escorts who try to pose as sugar babies, I already report them when I see them on Seeking.

I'm just saying, if you go down the path of reviewing regular sugar babies, you're playing with fire. I would urge you to exercise extreme caution in engaging in a game of reputation destruction with women. Woman are far better at this kind of stuff then men.

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All valid points.
I mainly would like to keep track of those who were in escort and those who take money and then disappear.
Also, if the agreement is for her not to see anyone else... I think WhoElseSugarBabeDating.com is more useful for us, than not instead of same for sugar daddys. Who cares about us and what can be done-those who pay, dance, not the other way around. It is not a BF - GF relationship, so I can do whatever on the side and if I am asking her not to see anyone else and paying for exclusivity... I want to pay exactly for that.

Sure, there are other ways to get the above info, but, still...

So, kinda , objectively, negative babes to stay out from the get go, would be nice to have as a stay away run list or something.

It should not become a revenge kinda resource, shot happens between people in a long relationship, I don't care about that.

So, I am exploring this venue and thanks for sharing cautions! Greatly appreciated

[adastr@]

We did have an Sugar Daddy / Onlyfans section but I took it down because I thought it's just as easy to post here, but like yaletownfuckboi points out, it's not quite the same as escorting. Even though lots of escorts might retire to go with a sugar daddy.

We have to be very careful to not share non-consentual photos or info. On Menz we can only post if it's already published online. An Onlyfans page for example is locked, so if Onlyfans images or information appears here, Menz can be held liable. So we have to make a rule to not allow this.

We can post images from vanislandsfinest.ca because we're modelling our platform the exact same as Archive.org and the waybackmachine, we're caching public escort websites. Whereas, Seeking is a closed system. So we can't publish information found on Seeking or else we can be held liable.

Do women who are not escorts, or men who never book escorts, do they participate on escort forums? I'd say no. It's mostly clients and providers. So that's why I concluded these two things don't cross over, even though they are similar.

[altig@tor]

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We will have to use telegram or darknet to exchange Seeking, OF photos and nicknames of those bad sugar babes

Anarchy and WROL yes!

There is a potential, we just have to figure the nearmiss pathways

Come on, menz must have the dark side ))
Lol

[adastr@]

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Come on, menz must have the dark side ))
Lol

Well... There is a Gentleman's only private forum here, don't forget. Anything goes on that forum, boys only.

[multihandletroll]

I think a separate OF thread could be nice, since its completely different from sugar dating.

I think you got it the wrong way around
I think a lot of girls begin as sugar babies and later become escorts. While some "retired" escorts might try sugar dating, they often don't have much success. I remember seeing data about which age ranges get the most messages on Seeking. If a woman is over 30, around 80% of men don’t even consider her in their searches. The 18-24 age group gets the most messages.

I also think some of this is off topic and derailing the thread a bit.
This is a "guide to sugar dating" and I interpret that as exchanging advice.
Maybe a few separate sugar dating threads for different topics would be a good idea.

[Rizzgod]

Elaboration on how you “tactfully” achieved this would be appreciated

Maybe 'tactfully' wasn't the best word.
What I’m trying to say is to suggest the idea in a manner that is respectful and not creepy/uncomfortable.

I'm usually quite straightforward about what I mean by a sugar dating arrangement and what it entails. When it comes to suggesting the idea of sex for money, it really depends on the individual. Typically, you can get a sense of a woman's level of promiscuity based on how she carries herself and her overall appearance. If a girl seems more open in that regard, I'll be more direct about proposing the idea over text. Conversely, if she seems more reserved, I might suggest meeting for an (unpaid) coffee or something casual first before bringing up that topic.

I also use the words "intimacy" for sex

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 Raya is also great especially when travelling, but its tough to get on there for most guys.

How'd you manage to get on Raya? Any tips to get on it?
Whats the talent pool like in Vancouver?

I have a few close friends who are professional athletes, so I relied on them for my referrals. Additionally, I run a fairly large business, which lets the app's gatekeepers know that I'm a high-net-worth individual. From what I gather, to gain access as a man, you usually need to be involved in entertainment, have a significant social media following or online presence, or simply possess a high net worth, I'm in the latter category.

Whereas for women to get on, it's typically the same categories, or they can just be very attractive. And alot of the woman are simply on there for being very attractive.

The talent pool in Vancouver is small but very high quality. It's much better in the US, especially in cities like LA and New York.

Whereas for women to get on, it's typically the same categories, or they can just be very attractive.

[quarterback]

Alta


There’s a lot men can do to protect themselves in sugar dating: always arrange an unpaid meet and greet, don’t give money for platonic hangouts, and simply ghost the rude and psychopathic ones without engaging. In a sugar dating dynamic, the man has all the leverage, so act like it.

Boy's, please always do an unpaid meet and greet. You can make it quick, even 5-10 minutes if you are a busy guy.

If a girl refuses to do an unpaid meet and greet with you, it means she either doesn’t see you as a high-quality option for an arrangement or she might be hiding something about her looks. or she is an escort. It's a red flag if she won't agree to an unpaid meet and greet.

This is standard procedure and universal in sugar dating.

[TB12]

Has anyone purchased the diamond membership on seeking? is it worthwhile?
The woman I am most interested in aren't being very responsive to me.

[altig@tor]

Has anyone purchased the diamond membership on seeking? is it worthwhile?
The woman I am most interested in aren't being very responsive to me.

Amigo, just don't forget, this is not a regular relationship, so YOU are choosing!
There are plenty of delusional girls, who think they are choosing a sugar daddy. Well. It is all about your charisma, fitness, age and how much money may compensate for the deficiencies ofthe above. Finally, there is no SB, whom you cannot have, the question is $$ or $$$$$. That's it. If you are upfront with $$$$$, you will see an immediate interest, but then why to do that? Although, depends what you are looking for. But yes, escorts are way cheaper imho
On the other hand, maybe many or some of us want: no strings, a private babe and some sort of human feelings behind, not just $$$ in other words.

This is a dialectic dilemma, for sure.

[yaletownfuckboi]

Has anyone purchased the diamond membership on seeking? is it worthwhile?
The woman I am most interested in aren't being very responsive to me.

Im not sure the diamond membership will do you any good. The regular premium has been all i've ever needed. You can always try it out for a month and see if you notice a difference, but id assume its a cash grab.

What age range of woman are you messaging? do you have private photos you share? what is your net worth? how old are you?

For the most sought-after girls, you'll be up against a lot of competition from guys, so you'll need to differentiate yourself.

[altig@tor]

Has anyone purchased the diamond membership on seeking? is it worthwhile?
The woman I am most interested in aren't being very responsive to me.

Im not sure the diamond membership will do you any good. The regular premium has been all i've ever needed. You can always try it out for a month and see if you notice a difference, but id assume its a cash grab.

What age range of woman are you messaging? do you have private photos you share? what is your net worth? how old are you?

For the most sought-after girls, you'll be up against a lot of competition from guys, so you'll need to differentiate yourself.

Statistically, not many guys are below 60, fit, tall, and have upper six figure salaries... so if TB12 is one of those, he, definitely, has to make sure, he clearly states those points, then he will fall in less than 1% of worlds men population and he will be choosing, not the other way around.

So, agreed make strong points obvious in communication. Even delusional girls who think you have to pay for their existence, will start showing interest, and the question will be: do you have an interest to those money hungry XX chromosome careiers

[TB12]

Has anyone purchased the diamond membership on seeking? is it worthwhile?
The woman I am most interested in aren't being very responsive to me.

Im not sure the diamond membership will do you any good. The regular premium has been all i've ever needed. You can always try it out for a month and see if you notice a difference, but id assume its a cash grab.

What age range of woman are you messaging? do you have private photos you share? what is your net worth? how old are you?

For the most sought-after girls, you'll be up against a lot of competition from guys, so you'll need to differentiate yourself.

Maybe I will try it and repost back on if its worth it.

My search parameters are woman ages 18-30, I seem to be struggling most with the under 25 crowd.
I have one private photo, my net worth is around 4 million (mostly my property), I make around $500k a year, I am in my 40s

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Has anyone purchased the diamond membership on seeking? is it worthwhile?
The woman I am most interested in aren't being very responsive to me.

Im not sure the diamond membership will do you any good. The regular premium has been all i've ever needed. You can always try it out for a month and see if you notice a difference, but id assume its a cash grab.

What age range of woman are you messaging? do you have private photos you share? what is your net worth? how old are you?

For the most sought-after girls, you'll be up against a lot of competition from guys, so you'll need to differentiate yourself.

Statistically, not many guys are below 60, fit, tall, and have upper six figure salaries... so if TB12 is one of those, he, definitely, has to make sure, he clearly states those points, then he will fall in less than 1% of worlds men population and he will be choosing, not the other way around.

So, agreed make strong points obvious in communication. Even delusional girls who think you have to pay for their existence, will start showing interest, and the question will be: do you have an interest to those money hungry XX chromosome careiers

Despite my username being a Tom Brady reference, i dont not possess his genetics. Im closer to 5'11, exercise daily but dont look like it, mid 6 figures.

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Boy's, please always do an unpaid meet and greet. You can make it quick, even 5-10 minutes if you are a busy guy.

If a girl refuses to do an unpaid meet and greet with you, it means she either doesn’t see you as a high-quality option for an arrangement or she might be hiding something about her looks. or she is an escort. It's a red flag if she won't agree to an unpaid meet and greet.

This is standard procedure and universal in sugar dating.

I have been trying to do this. 
Many are willing to meet unpaid for the meet and greet but a few have asked for a small amount of money for a meet and greet or to pay for their uber ride. What do you think about that? Some also push to go out for dinner or drinks instead of coffee for the meet and greet.

[altig@tor]

Has anyone purchased the diamond membership on seeking? is it worthwhile?
The woman I am most interested in aren't being very responsive to me.

Im not sure the diamond membership will do you any good. The regular premium has been all i've ever needed. You can always try it out for a month and see if you notice a difference, but id assume its a cash grab.

What age range of woman are you messaging? do you have private photos you share? what is your net worth? how old are you?

For the most sought-after girls, you'll be up against a lot of competition from guys, so you'll need to differentiate yourself.

Maybe I will try it and repost back on if its worth it.

My search parameters are woman ages 18-30, I seem to be struggling most with the under 25 crowd.
I have one private photo, my net worth is around 4 million (mostly my property), I make around $500k a year, I am in my 40s

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Has anyone purchased the diamond membership on seeking? is it worthwhile?
The woman I am most interested in aren't being very responsive to me.

Im not sure the diamond membership will do you any good. The regular premium has been all i've ever needed. You can always try it out for a month and see if you notice a difference, but id assume its a cash grab.

What age range of woman are you messaging? do you have private photos you share? what is your net worth? how old are you?

For the most sought-after girls, you'll be up against a lot of competition from guys, so you'll need to differentiate yourself.

Statistically, not many guys are below 60, fit, tall, and have upper six figure salaries... so if TB12 is one of those, he, definitely, has to make sure, he clearly states those points, then he will fall in less than 1% of worlds men population and he will be choosing, not the other way around.

So, agreed make strong points obvious in communication. Even delusional girls who think you have to pay for their existence, will start showing interest, and the question will be: do you have an interest to those money hungry XX chromosome careiers

Despite my username being a Tom Brady reference, i dont not possess his genetics. Im closer to 5'11, exercise daily but dont look like it, mid 6 figures.

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Boy's, please always do an unpaid meet and greet. You can make it quick, even 5-10 minutes if you are a busy guy.

If a girl refuses to do an unpaid meet and greet with you, it means she either doesn’t see you as a high-quality option for an arrangement or she might be hiding something about her looks. or she is an escort. It's a red flag if she won't agree to an unpaid meet and greet.

This is standard procedure and universal in sugar dating.

I have been trying to do this. 
Many are willing to meet unpaid for the meet and greet but a few have asked for a small amount of money for a meet and greet or to pay for their uber ride. What do you think about that? Some also push to go out for dinner or drinks instead of coffee for the meet and greet.

Don't you think that some profiles are fake and created by the website to maintain some interest? That's what I feel is happening with some profiles at leasr

[quarterback]

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TB12

Don't you think that some profiles are fake and created by the website to maintain some interest? That's what I feel is happening with some profiles at leasr

I've noticed many people on Reddit mentioning this, but I personally haven't come across any profiles that look fake and seem to be created by Seeking.
Maybe it happens moreso in bigger markets. I have browsed Dubai on there once and I was surprised by the number of incredibly attractive women with professional photos who weren't even attempting to conceal their identities.

Personally, when I encounter fake accounts on there, it typically looks like a real girl using stolen pictures of another girl.

However, most accounts seem to be real to me. Sometimes I think there might be a little bit of cope by guys who are just making excuses for why the hot girls dont message them back or want to meet

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Another helpful tip for searching is that if you're using Chrome, you can right-click on a girl's photos and select "Search with Google Lens." If that photo is publicly available online, it will often locate it for you. It doesn't work every time, but it's usually effective. Great for determining if a girl is catfishing. Or if she's real, sometimes, you'll even discover her real Instagram account, which can be useful haha.

However, keep in mind that girls can do this to you as well, so avoid using any photos of yourself that are posted elsewhere online.

[altig@tor]

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TB12

Don't you think that some profiles are fake and created by the website to maintain some interest? That's what I feel is happening with some profiles at leasr

I've noticed many people on Reddit mentioning this, but I personally haven't come across any profiles that look fake and seem to be created by Seeking.
Maybe it happens moreso in bigger markets. I have browsed Dubai on there once and I was surprised by the number of incredibly attractive women with professional photos who weren't even attempting to conceal their identities.

Personally, when I encounter fake accounts on there, it typically looks like a real girl using stolen pictures of another girl.

However, most accounts seem to be real to me. Sometimes I think there might be a little bit of cope by guys who are just making excuses for why the hot girls dont message them back or want to meet

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Another helpful tip for searching is that if you're using Chrome, you can right-click on a girl's photos and select "Search with Google Lens." If that photo is publicly available online, it will often locate it for you. It doesn't work every time, but it's usually effective. Great for determining if a girl is catfishing. Or if she's real, sometimes, you'll even discover her real Instagram account, which can be useful haha.

However, keep in mind that girls can do this to you as well, so avoid using any photos of yourself that are posted elsewhere online.

Amigo, never forget: it is you who is finally choosing, not them! 
You choose with your $.
Many of those below 25 are living in a delusional world, that's why they don't click on certain profiles. No yacht, no Ferrari on the main photo-they don't click. I, specifically, don't show wealth as I don't wany dumb fish lips clicking on my profile
If you clearly display you and your luxary boat or you and a super cool boat of your richer friend... trust me, they will click, many will be quite money hungry and, generally, dumb.

[Hot_point8293]

It sounds like we need a separate sugar babe reviews and review board.
The time has come!
Yes sugar business is less stable and more volatile and there is a competition on both sides. But, maybe those who clearly take money and disappear should be known.
Also, nice to know, who is a former escort in the pool. I would imagine many guys don't want a former escort as a sugar babe
Etc etc etc
Menz.life-sugar listings and reviews = find the sweetest beet/potato/sugar cane plantation!

I would be a bit cautious about this, to be honest. I think starting a review forum for sugar babies could make many women hesitant to participate in sugar dating. It might also result in a forum or group where sugar babies review sugar daddies. Even worse, it could devolve into something similar to those "are we dating the same guy" facebook pages. 

The truth is that sugar daddies and sugar babies usually have a lot more personal information about each other compared to the relationship between an escort and a client. What currently keeps things in balance is a kind of mutually assured destruction. Additionally, both parties have a level of plausible deniability, allowing them to claim that they are not exchanging sex for money and to maintain the facade of conventional dating if it comes to light and they get exposed.

Furthermore, many sugar babies tend to see only a small number of sugar daddies, with some having just one at a time. The same applies to sugar daddies. They also do different stuff with different guys, they may make one wait for sex, while having sex with another right away.  Therefore, even if a review is posted "anonymously," she can likely narrow it down. Unlike escorts who may have multiple clients in a single day or see double-digit numbers each month, the dynamics are different in sugar relationships.

There’s a lot men can do to protect themselves in sugar dating: always arrange an unpaid meet and greet, don’t give money for platonic hangouts, and simply ghost the rude and psychopathic ones without engaging. In a sugar dating dynamic, the man has all the leverage, so act like it.

I do think that really bad sugar babies who are acting unethically or scamming should be exposed. I also believe we should call out escorts who try to pose as sugar babies, I already report them when I see them on Seeking.

I'm just saying, if you go down the path of reviewing regular sugar babies, you're playing with fire. I would urge you to exercise extreme caution in engaging in a game of reputation destruction with women. Woman are far better at this kind of stuff then men.

Excellent advice

[altig@tor]

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I like playing with fire.
So, those guys on Vancouver Island, who would like info re: those SBs who grab money and disappear or those who are frankly escorts,or +30lbs to outdated photos and all other shady suspects, don't hesitate to PM me.

We won't make it public for now, but nobody can prohibit a free info exchange in private. I already have a list of those to avoid.

Good luck!

[MarcusGlizzy]

I flex on the gram
show im breaded up and clouted up
and the bitches come to me

funnel them in on dating apps

seeking on occasion if its poppin

[Wario]

Its crazy how delusional some of these girls are
Today I saw a girl whose profile said "dont message me if you aren't a billionaire"
Does she not realize how few billionaires there are in the world, let alone in Canada or Vancouver, there are barely any.